Don’t call it Badger and Blade, call it Sissies and Stiffs

Dear Visitor to Baby Butt Smooth dot com, This Sunday morning I suffered a most terrible shock. About a week or two ago, I became a member of the world famous DE shaving forum, “Badger and Blade.” This is the website which serious DE shavers from all over the world visit in order to discuss important matters relating to DE shaving. Being fairly new to the international DE shaving community, I was somewhat timid about coming out as a member. I didn’t know how I should introduce myself, or what I should say. I certainly craved acceptance, but exactly how was I going to go about earning the respect of my fellow members in the Badger and Blade community? I wasn’t sure… A part of me thought, well maybe if the members of the Badger and Blade community catch a glimpse of this beautifully ambitious website that I’ve painstakingly built up over here all by myself at Baby Butt Smooth dot com, and all the very useful DE shaving information I’ve assembled for all the world to see- for free- well maybe that alone would be enough for me to earn my place as a fully fledged member of the international Badger and Blade DE shaving community.Sweet Mother of Jesus, if only life were that simple and straightforward.

This morning I timidly posted the following “thread.” For those of you who are not yet members of an internet forum, a “thread” is just a message you post on a forum about some topic of concern to the community, which other members of the community can then respond to and discuss. Here is what I posted this morning on the Badger and Blade website, line by line and word for word:

Dear Fellow DE Shavers,

I am fairly new to DE shaving but once I learned about it I got on board big time. I hope that you will welcome me into the Badger & Blade community, I am very happy to be here. With all due respect, I would like to share a certain viewpoint that some may strongly disagree with, but here goes: I think that fancy shaving bowls and skuttles are not only totally dispensable but should in fact be avoided at all costs. I elaborate on this here, https://babybuttsmooth.com/de-shaving-bowls-and-skuttles-just-say-no/ but the basic idea is this: a simple, wide mouthed coffee mug will retain heat better than a fancy chrome or frosted glass shaving bowl, and will cost much, much less. As for the skuttles, they are, in my opinion, just way over the top, and they should be avoided on principle alone; if/when you buy yourself, and use, a fancy, expensive, ancient looking shaving skuttle, then your wife, girlfriend, female companion, male lover, partner- will be able to go on wasting money on clothing and shoes and there won’t be a thing you’ll be able to say to stop them. Please take a look at the image below. Then tell me what, if anything, is missing. What does this inexpensive jumbo mug, perfectly suited for use as a shaving bowl, lack, which some expensive metal or glass bowl has to offer? I like to think of myself as an open minded person, in fact I really do make an effort to actually be open minded- but I cannot, for the life of me, understand the point of all the overblown shaving bowls and skuttles. For me it feels like the one part of DE shaving which simply doesn’t belong, but I would be interested in hearing your viewpoints on the matter. I’ve sure been wrong about many things before so maybe right now when it comes to these deluxe shaving bowls I’m simply missing something.

Kind regards,

Phil
Baby Butt Smooth dot com

Yes, that’s the innocent message I posted this morning, word for word. I then raced out of the house and headed over to a museum here in London, hoping to impress a certain German woman with my culture and sophistication. But actually I had spent so long crafting my very first post on the Badger and Blade website that in fact, I had to sacrifice a shower and a shave in order to get to the museum on time. So there’s the picture for you- the plan was to shower, get an amazing baby butt smooth shave, dress nicely, wear polished shoes, and discuss the Van Dyck, Rubens, Velazquez, and Rembrandt paintings… but instead I’m showing up with sweat dripping down my shirt and 3 days worth of beard growth, unwashed hair, completely strung out from running, basically looking and smelling like a no good junky from the streets. But that’s how much my very first Badger and Blade post meant to me; I wanted it to be absolutely proper and correct, because as they say in that American deodorant commercial, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Well as it turns out, the German woman I was supposed to meet at the museum was over 45 minutes late. We were supposed to do a special museum tour at 2:30, but by the time she showed up the tour was almost over. Plus she still needed to drink coffee before she could look at the paintings.

On the other hand she did look very clean and pretty, unlike me. I have always had the greatest respect for German precision and organization, one of the reasons I love my Merkur 34C so much. There is a certain German expression, “ordnung muss sein,” and that’s exactly how I try to live my whole entire life. Unfortunately my German museum companion seems never to have heard a thing about this “ordnung muss sein” concept. It could have been worse- she did send me multiple SMS messages on my phone on her way over to the museum. In one of those messages she indicated that she was running late- she sent this when it was already half an hour past our arranged meeting time. After some more time had passed, she then sent another message indicating that she could not find the museum. That’s when I said, “first of all this woman can’t possibly be German, and second of all, is my Badger and Blade thread online yet, and getting any responses from fellow members of the Badger and Blade community?”

On my smartphone I visited the Badger and Blade website. Sure enough my post had been published. Rock and Roll! My heart was racing. Would people accept me? Embrace me as a new, hyper motivated member, a guy that was so gung-ho about DE shaving that he took it upon himself to build an entire website about the topic? I re-read my post and felt proud. Then I scrolled down and realized that there were already some responses- unbelievable! People were already providing feedback! I was now a fully fledged member of the community. I scrolled down further- and that’s when my heart began to sink.

Dear Readers, you have no idea the kind of vicious and hideous things people were writing about me. I was repeatedly accused of being a “troll.” The truth is I had no idea what a “troll” was. I sent an email to my good friend, Oliver, a fellow DE shaving enthusiast, someone relatively new to the world of DE shaving, just like me, and I came right out and asked him: “what the hell is a troll?” I’ll tell you what- if someone- in fact if a whole gang of people- suddenly start accusing you of being a troll- well, even if you don’t know what the hell a troll is, it’s still bound to cause hurt feelings. Why? Because the way they were using this strange word, “troll,” was just dripping with venom. I thought of the old American proverb, “even a dog knows the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.” I’m an idiot and I had no idea what a troll was, but let’s put it this way, I knew these individuals weren’t being friendly. They were hating on me.

It was exactly that- senseless and insane, shocking, unbridled hatred. Who knows where darkness like this even comes from, maybe deeply repressed conflict and anger. This is what Wikipedia says about trolls:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion… mass media uses troll to describe a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families.

Now look, you yourself read what I posted, it’s up above there- it was a wholesome, innocent message about shaving bowls. There was nothing “inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic” about it. I most certainly didn’t write it “with the aim of causing grief to families.” I wrote it because I really care, but I mean I really genuinely care. And with regard to the issue of over-priced, under-performing shaving bowls, I’m not the only one who cares! Here’s what a fellow DE shaver wrote to me personally:

I enjoyed the website content so far. I especially appreciated the comments re shaving bowls, having bought a chromed metal bowl by Muehle and suspected that the Villeroy & Boch cereal bowl that I was using previously did a better job!

Dearest Reader, if you like you can dismiss everything that I have to say, but the man who wrote me that comment above happens to be the partner of a very respected law firm here in London. This is a guy who is truly and genuinely civilized and sophisticated- I’m just the guy who’s trying to pass as an unusually cultured American man to impress some German broad at a museum. I never told him this, this law firm partner, but for me, his Villeroy & Boch bowl would have itself represented an extreme extravagance. I began mixing my lather in one of my dog’s spare water dishes- yes, it was manufactured for a small dog, but it is after all made of stainless steel.

Later on I upgraded to a big thick coffee mug which I scored for just one pound in a ghetto chain store called PoundLand. Everything in PoundLand costs just one pound and you should know that they also sell food in there. I have treated myself to many, many boxes of fresh Oreo cookies from PoundLand. Anyway that’s not it, I present to you now a second message from another fellow I know:

I invested in a stainless steel shaving bowl- massive mistake!! It retains zero heat. I guess I should have thought of this before I ordered it, but hey what can you do? I think I’ll be better off just using a mug for now.

This comment above was sent to me by another successful professional man that I know here in London. Highly refined, totally sophisticated, extremely cultured, speaks English in the most beautiful way- he is so kind and such a gentleman that in spite of the fact that he’s 100% heterosexual, women nevertheless know that they can trust him completely and they simply cherish his friendship. That’s two high caliber men right there who came out against fancy shaving bowls and scuttles, just like I had done when I posted my thread this morning on the Badger and Blade website. So even if you want to dismiss my own views based upon my lowly and questionable socio-economic background, that doesn’t mean you can do the same for those two true English gentleman that I’ve quoted up above.

When I read the vicious comments directed at me regarding my Badger and Blade post, I was simply astonished. I was sitting on a bench outside the museum waiting for the disorganized German woman to finally arrive, and a group of Italian tourists sat down next to me on the same bench. They were smoking cigarettes and I wanted to ask them for one, and suck that thing right down, even though I’m not a smoker- that’s how upset I was about this whole despicable affair on the Badger and Blade website.

I want to be perfectly honest about a couple of things that I have learned from this episode.

First of all, I’ve learned that I’ve been misspelling the word “scuttle.” It’s spelled with a “C” and not with a “K,” so that’s one thing I learned. It’s not “skuttle,” it’s “scuttle.”

Second of all, I learned that Badger and Blade should be renamed “Sissies and Stiffs.” That’s right, Sissies and Stiffs. I’m not going to do it, but somebody out there ought to purchase the domain name, Sissies and Stiffs dot com, and forward all the traffic to Badger and Blade, because at Badger and Blade, there’s a whole lot of Sissies and Stiffs running around.

Third of all, I want to say that although my entire post was soon completely deleted by the forum fascists at Badger and Blade, I did see before it was deleted that there was one man who responded to my post with a very constructive and friendly message, which unfortunately is no longer visible to anybody, not even to me. He actually welcomed me to the Badger and Blade community, pointed out to his fellow members that I had put together a lot of useful information on my Baby Butt Smooth dot com website, that I had written positive things about the Badger and Blade forum, pointed out that I was not selling anything- I mean Jesus Christ if I were trying to sell something, why would I publish a post that essentially says “DO NOT BUY EXPENSIVE SHAVING BOWLS, JUST USE A CHEAP MUG INSTEAD”? Does that sound like someone trying to sell something?

Anyway this one man wrote a truly kind message, and even though I don’t any longer have access to it, I will never in my life forget the general spirit of it- it was kind, friendly, welcoming, thoughtful and informative. The guy had obviously taken a considerable amount of time to write this message- it was much longer and infinitely more articulate than all the vicious and irrational, hideous messages that preceded it. It meant so much to me, his kind and thoughtful and welcoming message, because all along all I really wanted was to be accepted, to be accepted as a respectable member of and participant in the international Badger and Blade DE shaving community.

This one guy, and this one guy alone, was saying, “hey everybody, take it easy, give this guy a chance.” But he was the only one. Everybody else was out for blood, God only knows why, just some angry, uptight and repressed people. I’m not over here building up this Baby Butt Smooth dot com website because I’m trying to hurt anybody, am I?

Anyway- the third lesson here is, even when you encounter a whole gaggle of sissies and stiffs, which my experience this morning tells me there’s lots of over at Badger and Blade- even if a place is just swarming with sissies and stiffs, there’s still bound to be some super cool, friendly, easygoing people. People that’ll give you a chance, people that aren’t out for blood, people that aren’t trying to bitch you out and cut you down like the arrogant self-satisfied mean-spirited close-minded discontented monsters in Paris France, the worldwide energy center for this type of hostile, negative approach to life. At Badger and Blade there is at least one super cool guy, and I know this for a fact because he tried to welcome me into the DE shaving community- but his voice of kindness and reason was drowned out by the petty little creeps. That’s life, but the truth is I expected so much more from my fellow DE shavers, especially after my labor of love, the Baby Butt Smooth dot com website. Instead these jerks succeeded in making me feel like a persona non grata. Good job Badger and Blade, vicious behavior for a Sunday.

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  1. Yongsoo Park
    Yongsoo Park says:

    Sad to read this.

    The Internet and its veneer of anonymity often encourages this type of tribal hostility that you describe.

    I thoroughly enjoyed your description of it, however. It reminds me very much of some of the hyperdetailed short stories by Kafka.

    Indeed, the ordeal and its telling are very Kafkaesque.

    Keep on keeping on, brother.

    Yongsoo

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  2. Sinodog
    Sinodog says:

    Phil,

    First of all, you have a great talent for writing entertaining prose. Laugh-out-loud funny in several places. Loved the read. Second of all, think of it as a blessing in disguise; maybe some people spend years on that site before finding out that it is moderated and peopled by moral midgets and anally-retentive twerps. Third of all, good job on this site. Fourth of all, ‘keep your frame and don’t give your power away’.

    Five: ditch the Merkur for a EJ89L!!

    Sinodog in Sinoland

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  3. B.A. Head
    B.A. Head says:

    Your experience is not unique. My experience with B&B is that is primarily run by pretentious pricks. Good riddance, and no loss to me. Thanks for your website.

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  4. Dan
    Dan says:

    This is quite sad to read. I’m very sorry you were treated like this. I am a full pledged member, and would regaurd myself as a well respected member as well at B&B. I really can’t see an issue with what you posted, other than you put a link to your page (the mods don’t like any free advertising, whether for profit or not) But your not selling, its purely information yes. What a shame, i think your thread was a good 1, any money saving ideas are good in my book. And sharing information is what its all about. Please know where not all so judgemental, in fact i’ve met some great ppl on the site. And i’m sure you would have too if it wasn’t for the goose’s that called you a troll. Were you banned? And did that German lady ever show up? lol.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Dan,

      Thank you for your friendly comment, I appreciate it.

      I believe I will one day return to B&B, if B&B will let me. Maybe you could say that B&B and I got off on the wrong foot- but that doesn’t mean that there’s no hope for a future relationship.

      Thank you again for your friendly post.

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  5. Bean
    Bean says:

    No surprise there. Badger and Blade is made up of a small handful of dweebs who ironically don’t know much at all about shaving. That forum blows.

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      • Phil
        Phil says:

        Dear Bean,

        If the members of Badger & Blade behaved in an unpleasant way, then it’s my fault. I will take the blame.

        Dear Dirt Diver 2.0,

        What is the Shave Den? Are they knowledgeable there?

        Kind regards,

        Phil

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        • Computermechanic
          Computermechanic says:

          Phil, as in Luvmysuper I suppose? I’ve watched your posts for quite some time. Are you in fact the administrator of this site? If not you sure act the part. You have moderators that seem to draw great pleasure in stirring the crap in any disagreement between other members until it reaches a boiling point then you come in with that heavy handed dictatorial, lordship tone of yours and lay the law down. In my opinion, the vast majority are sissies and stuffed shirts. My advice would be get a handle on the people you’ve entrusted that hide behind the moderator badge and think they that they can run roughshod over people just because they know you have their back. You have a few good members but believe me, very few in my experience. I’m sure you’ll use your judgmental attitude and say i’m an isolated case and it’s me and not everyone else. Maybe you should take an anonymous poll. I see the same few members out of several thousand that are the only ones that ever post and if you ever get it out for someone he’ll be ridden until he leaves or you cast him to the netherlands.

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  6. Bob
    Bob says:

    Hi Phil! You write well and the above is an entertaining read. Sorry to hear about the treatment you received. Don’t judge the B&B membership by the replies and comments you received on that post. The internet’s aninimity makes it far too easy to say something in writing that few would say face-to-face. There is probably a good percentage of B&B members that agree with your points and disagree with the way your post was handled. Stay on board. That’s the only way you can have an impact within the B&B community. Taking your shovel out of the sandbox won’t fix anything. You wrote something that was worth reading. Good for you. I’m enjoying the content on your new site. Thanks! All the best, Bob

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Bob,

      Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I’m glad that you are enjoying the content of the site. I tried to make it both informative and enjoyable. Thanks again for taking the time to comment.

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    • pjotr
      pjotr says:

      The vocal majority at B&B is without doubt the biggest collection of morons I’ve yet encountered on any website. I guess it makes sense when you think about it.:

      Yanks.
      Serious gun collectors.
      Religious- which is manifested in their constant, sycophantic mention of gentleman and gentlemanly persuits as a justification for pouring bile on anybody who’s different.
      Patriotic-goes with all the above and anybody who dares question the USA will basically be banned on the spot

      The sum total of this is that anybody who has a different opinion, is foreign (i.e. not from the CONUSA, they might make an exception for Canada because they’ve heard of that country) or throws anything at them that might be considered teasing, questioning the rules or the idiots that enforce them or pose anything intellectually challenging and you get shot at the gate.

      Posting on B&B is like talking to a room full of three year olds. Don’t use words with more than three syllables. Don’t suggest anything different to their daily routine. Don’t question anybody and use constant praise.

      It’s a really, really sad place!

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      • David
        David says:

        While I am not a member of B&B, I enjoy “gentlemanly pursuits” and would never be called religious. I also own a few weapons, and am currently living in the USA, but am not American. What exactly are you on about? Your criticism has nothing to do with B&B being a good or bad site from which to learn about wet shaving- and more than a little shows your feelings of inferiority.

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      • TKJ
        TKJ says:

        My, my, my. PJOTR, I detect a modicum of hostility against anything American in your post. Funny, I thought we were discussing shaving. So much for civility.

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  7. AA Jerry
    AA Jerry says:

    That Badger and Blade forum is for collectors, it’s not really about shaving. That’s why most of the posters there are so uninformed.

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  8. Jody
    Jody says:

    Wow, that was going out in a blaze of glory for a first post.

    Somewhere between “I’m very happy to be here.” and “With all due respect” the train left the tracks.

    Ending your first post with “I’m very happy to be here.” would’ve garnered a very different response. You went bold and seemed to be surprised that it elicited a bold response.

    The part that may have left the largest impression of troll activity though is linking to your own blog in your first post. This would be a classic troll move, in that you went to a large forum, posted a thread guaranteed to generate views by having a bold style, leading to comments and it contains a link to your own blog. The perception is that you were attempting to lure clicks from their members to your own blog.

    What I find curious is that you do indeed have a talent for writing as mentioned previously, but this seems to be your final post here. The fact you are still receiving comments a year and a half later is a testament to your words and style striking a chord. You may have misunderstood how your audience would take that particular post.

    Somehow flaming them as you were flamed probably won’t engender you the respect you desire.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Jody,

      I greatly appreciate your honest and insightful feedback.

      It is a sad fact that I lack social grace, I suffer from arrested development, and I have too strong a need for attention. For about three more weeks I’m going to continue blaming these personal flaws on my childhood, which could have been much better, but which on the other hand could have been much worse too. In any case these personal problems of mine are a big part of the reason I introduced myself to the B&B community in a way that was bound to strike some as abrasive, and others as outright obnoxious. So I believe you are right, and I appreciate your honesty about it- what I felt coming back at me was connected to what I was bringing to B&B in the first place. I need to cool my jets and just approach people and situations in a more relaxed and comfortable way. It’s one thing to be a little silly and even provocative with people you know. But when getting the ball rolling with people you don’t know, it’s unwise to say and do things which are bound to ruffle their feathers.

      Thank you again for your helpful feedback.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Dirt Diver 2.0,

      Please have mercy. Haven’t I already been punished enough? The answer is yes.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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      • Dirt Diver 2.0
        Dirt Diver 2.0 says:

        Man, you need to relax. This entire page is just one big whining ramble. It’s not that serious. If you cant shrug things off and let them go it is going to be a long hard hurtful life for you. Thicken up that skin and go try again,eh? B&B is a group of knowledgeable and friendly guys. If you walk into any group of people acting like a snobby know it all who does not value other people’s opinions before they even give them, what kind of reaction do you expect? Perhaps you would benefit from hopping down off your high horse and walking amongst “the people” once in a while. You are no better than the rest of us. 😉

        Cheers

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        • Phil
          Phil says:

          Dear Dirt Diver 2.0,

          I acted like an idiot. Not only am I no better than the rest of us, I often feel that I’m much less worthy than the rest of us. Sometimes I even listen to the music of Joy Division. But I learned a lesson at Badger & Blade! I need to lighten up and take it easy! Thank you for your comment.

          Kind regards,

          Phil

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  9. Rick
    Rick says:

    The reason you were reacted to that way is you go to a place you’ve never been and your first remark is slandering people’s choices regarding their purchases for luxurious items they enjoy (scuttles). That would be like telling a cigar smoker they are stupid to buy cigars they can get tobacco cheaper from a cigarette.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Rick,

      I agree, you are right. I admit it, I made many terrible mistakes. I admit you are right. I entered the picture in the completely wrong way, acted abrasively, and ruffled feathers without any concern for the sensitivities of the members of the community I was trying to join. I regret it. You are right, I was wrong, and your comparison makes perfect sense. I admit it.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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    • Paul
      Paul says:

      I agree with Rick, after starting my online store I made a reference to my own site for which I was admonished. No problem, I get it, and therefore play be the rules. Rick is correct in stating that you join a forum and your first post is to trash other peoples choices and in addition make a reference to your own website…naughty.

      If I were to come to your home for the first time and you invite me in it’s probably not the best idea for me to start off by trash talking your bad taste in interior decorating.

      In all seriousness, don’t let it get to you. I have found B&B a great resource of information. Taking things to heart too seriously may be acting a little….sissy? What you did was probably innocent and was taken the wrong way. I think that’s one of the problems with the Internet in that people don’t have a face, and there are actual trolls out there, You probably were unfairly grouped in with them by what was interpreted as a hostile post.

      Square off your shoulders and go back, there are a lot of good people there.

      😉

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  10. roscotanna
    roscotanna says:

    hi there Phil,
    I am also a member of B&B and have enjoyed my time there. I have found the site to be full of friendly, helpful gents who go to great lengths to provide information and help on any topic I require it.
    while have no problem with it and I can see that you meant no harm with your introductory thread, I can see how others might be upset by it for the reasons rick posed above. it is all about personal enjoyment and as it goes on B&B YMMV (your mileage may vary). I think if you had posted the same thread after getting your feet under the table and maybe a little less like an attack on scuttle users it would have been accepted and people would have had a big friendly debate about their preferences.
    I also think that this article is a little harsh when you use words such as ‘jerks’ we aren’t all bad and im sure it was just a misinterpretation of what you tried to put across, which I believe was your attempt to contribute and become actively involved in your first post; am I right? which for the record I admire!
    please do not take this as another attack and I’m sorry you feel this way about a forum which I feel is a great place to be. but just a suggestion… if you genuinely would like to be a member maybe this angry thread will be against you, which you can probably understand now you have cooled down.
    regards, Ross (roscotanna)

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  11. Phil
    Phil says:

    Dear Ross,

    “An attack on scuttle users,” Ross you hit the nail on the head. You are right, I admit it, I WAS attacking scuttle users. I really do regret it. At the end of the day, who the hell am I to attack anyone. I’m the fool, and the jerk, not the scuttle users. People have the right to do what they want to do to enjoy themselves, and get some fun out of life. I had no right and I still have no right to judge them or condemn them or look down on them for doing so. The scuttle users aren’t hurting anyone. I’m the idiot.

    Malcolm X, looking back on his years with the Nation of Islam, wrote, “Well, I guess a man’s entitled to make a fool of himself if he’s ready to pay the cost. It cost me twelve years.” I was a fool to criticize the scuttle users, but I won’t do that again.

    I am sorry.

    Thank you for taking the time to write your post.

    Kind regards,

    Phil

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    • roscotanna
      roscotanna says:

      don’t beat yourself up too much! I’m sure it will all be forgiven next time you post on the forum, the guys there won’t hold a grudge.
      personally I don’t pay lots of money for bowls and scuttles either, and began with a costa coffee cup. I’m a ceramicist and I actually don’t have much trouble making my own bowls and that way I can get something that works for me perfectly at very little cost, just the investment of time. I have never found a need for a scuttle though, because like you I find the simple bowl/mug works well enough. the main reason I like my own bowl is that I pressed cashew nuts into the inner surface and this allows the lather to be built more easily as both the brush and the bowl are agitating it.
      good luck for when you decide to give the guys at badger&blade another go!
      – Ross

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Phil,

      We have the same name, Phil. But Phil, what you are saying is right, I should man up. If I had been more of a normal man about this whole thing, and approached the Badger & Blade forum in a more normal and down to earth way, then none of this would have ever happened. None of us here would be discussing this issue, or commenting on it right now. But I unnecessarily aggravated the scuttle users, and for no good reason. I am sorry. Thank you for your comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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      • Sam-I-Am
        Sam-I-Am says:

        No need to man up or blame yourself. Ignore those people. However, please come back! We have fun at B&B. We need more thoughtful, intelligent, and creative people like you. By the way, I just lather on my face, thereby by-passing the whole mug vs. fancy scuttle controversy. The one time I did bowl lather, I used an empty soap container. Perfect size and shape.

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  12. VanMan
    VanMan says:

    I too am a member at Badger and Blade and I have similar feelings about shaving bowls (though I do have a soft spot for Dads Old Spice mug). I started wet shaving with a 3 for $1 bowl from the dollar store. I have 3 $1 mugs I use now since I like trying different soaps. I lump shaving scuttles into the same category as $200 shaving brushes (my complete collection of brushes cost $20) and $100+ shaving soaps. There are always people who are going to turn something into a pointless act of conspicuous consumption, it seems to be what people are best at.

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  13. CatMungus
    CatMungus says:

    Badger and Blade is a joke. Hardly anyone posts there anymore. Just a handful of net nerds who like to collect and overpay for old razors from eBay. Someone else mentioned that most of the posters there know nothing about shaving — it’s true, most of the info on Badgerandblade is inaccurate.

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  14. Pete
    Pete says:

    You want to see the reaction that I got by suggesting that Proraso wasn’t the shaving product for me… How dare I…? It reacts with my hands and I don’t like the smell, I find it boring and just like a cheap soap smell. Anyone would think I’d just publicly executed the sites mascot… With a disposable razor!!!

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  15. Phil's Demise
    Phil's Demise says:

    There’s nothing ‘innocent’ about that message you wrote.

    You’re condescending and judgmental in your post. How dare someone be extravagant about an activity! How wasteful! That’s essentially the message you left for the community.

    What’s interesting is that you don’t even recognize your inappropriate behavior, or you’re so far removed from common courtesy, that you just don’t care.

    The purpose of your blog here is to receive sympathy and understanding, veiled by a sarcastic overtone. You’ll receive absolutely zero sympathy from me. There’s no mixing words here: You’re an idiot Phil.

    You seem to live in your own warped sense of reality.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Phil’s Demise,

      First of all I don’t believe that your name is really “Phil’s Demise.” I think that you made up that name, not only in order to conceal your own identity, and also as a way of communicating to me and to others the contempt you feel for me as a fellow human being. I don’t blame you for having contempt for me. I too have contempt for me, I have self-contempt- and a whole lot of it.

      Second of all you said that I’m an idiot, and that I live in my own warped sense of reality. I agree with you. I’m an idiot, and I live in my own warped sense of reality. There, I’ve admitted it.

      And I’ll tell you one more thing Mr. “Phil’s Demise”- I’m honest enough and prepared to admit even more. Just go ahead and make more accusations. If they’re true, I’ll admit that they’re true.

      I’m sorry that I was abrasive and obnoxious the Badger & Blade website. I regret it. But we all make mistakes. I’ll bet that you too have done things in your own life which you regret doing.

      Thank you for your comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  16. cantsay
    cantsay says:

    The Badger & Blade site is an absolute joke, there is supposed to be free speech in the US so why are even light hearted comments deleted by the moderators.

    Theres no problem with red necks discussing the sanctity of open carrying guns yet everything else seems to get deleted and don’t say anything against the red white and blue, what a bunch of right wing morons

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Greetings Cantsay,

      Thank you for posting a comment. I am afraid however that I can’t reply to it in a meaningful way, because for the last 7 years or so I have made a conscious and deliberate effort to withdraw from politics completely. Every honest, sane and reasonable man simply has to admit that all politicians are liars, all of them. In using the word “all” I am including both left wing politicians and right wing politicians and all the cockroaches crawling around in between. Politicians are rotten to the core, all of them, and therefore it makes little sense to align oneself with one camp or the other, and identify oneself personally with that camp, as though one were rooting for some sports team. I don’t know whether the people running Badger and Blade are politically right wing, but it doesn’t matter to me. I just know that I entered the Badger and Blade community in an abrasive and over the top way- and that I paid for it with the harsh response I got. It was a good learning lesson for me; I learned that I have to be more aware of the way I’m communicating.

      Thanks again for your comment Cantsay, I appreciate it, even though I am a non-voter.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  17. Dyl
    Dyl says:

    In a way, I guess, you were a little biased towards coffee mugs in your post. Although, scuttles are commonly regarded as a luxury item, so you aren’t completley wrong either. What surprises me most is the hateful comments you recieved. You weren’t a jerk, those particular people were. I apologize on behalf of B&B.

    I understand that you most likely don’t want to come back to B&B, and I respect your descision not to come back, if that is your wish.

    Please take care, and I encourage you to post things here again. Seems like a solid site!

    Sincerely,

    Dyl the Blacksmith.

    P.S. Happy Shaving!

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Dyl the Blacksmith,

      Thank you very much for your friendly comment, I really do appreciate it.

      I am going to start posting more things on this Baby Butt Smooth website. I’ve learned so much about DE shaving over the last two years, and I would like to share what I’ve learned with others. I even took a trip to Istanbul and visited a special building where all the DE shaving wholesalers are located. They were selling an incredible variety of brushes, DE razors, blades, soaps, bowls- everything imaginable. It was fantastic.

      Thank you again for your friendly comment, I do appreciate it.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  18. CV
    CV says:

    I just stumbled upon your blog and I have to thank you sir for entertaining me today whilst at work. This post was quite humorous and I appreciate your rapist’s wit. I am also a member of Badger and Blade, however, I’m somewhat new to the forum, “a noob,” and haven’t really been accepted into their fold. However, I have received a lot of friendly advice and have been able to elevate my shave.

    My two cents is the timing of your shaving bowl/scuttle argument. I would have done a friendly, innocuous intro post and then maybe created a post later on challenging the members to list the pros and cons of using an overpriced scuttle or shaving bowl. Perhaps referee a friendly debate all the while tossing in your opinions in bits and pieces.

    Anyhow I agree with you, I use a 4 dollar miso soup bowl I bought at an asian market and it suits me just fine. It’s beautiful, simple, and functional. I have no desire to purchase a 40 dollar hand cast scuttle bowl. Why would someone do that unless it is to measure the size of your wetshaving stick?

    Anyhow, your blog is great. I wish you luck with the german woman. Your persistence will pay off!

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear CV,

      Thank you very much for your helpful comment and advice. I feel the need to be honest here and let you know that I have the Merkur 34C, which as everyone knows is a short wetshaving stick indeed. However I would like to believe that what matters more than the length of the stick is the motion one uses. I also think that pre-shave preparations are critical, and set the stage for everything that follows. Thanks again for your comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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      • CV
        CV says:

        I agree with that, good prep is everything.

        The Merkur 34C is a fine stick indeed! My daily driver is an Edwin Jagger DE89 paired with an Ikon Bulldog II handle (short handle but easily gripped).

        However, I recently had the privilege to try out the Merkur 1904 Open Comb, which as you may or may not know, is yet an even shorter stick and considered one of the most mild razors. My shave was quite satisfying when pairing it with a super sharp Feather blade. The results were amazing.

        I had to step outside to have a cigarette and a cappuccino afterwards.

        I believe it doesn’t matter which razor you use. Good prep and sound technique will always insure a BBS shave. However, variety, as they say, is the spice of life, and it is a lot of fun trying out different razors both modern and vintage.

        Anyhow, I look forward to future posts.

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  19. Daniel
    Daniel says:

    Hi Phil,

    Phew, just got done reading through all the comments and it has been both strange and amusing! I am amused at your tone sometimes as you speak in a way that not most people do. Anyway, on the one hand I feel sorry for you because you seem to be beating yourself up a lot now and I hate to see people feeling bad like that. On the other hand If I were to be one of the first to respond to you if I was a member over at B&B I would probably have reacted with a little less understanding than some. While your idea is essentially valid(coffee mug = cheap, scuttle = expensive) the way you went about putting the idea out there was just a bit over the top 🙂

    How about this: next time you want to write a post about something, just read over it one last time, think back to this post and ask yourself if anything you wrote is likely to offend and if so why?

    I am sure the people on that website would love to have you as a contributing member who gets discussions going and everything but you just have to be a little more considerate of other peoples opinions/ideas/feelings and remember that usually no one person is “right”.

    Hope you get on a bit better over there in the future 🙂 Oh and maybe consider a straight razor too, lots of fun 🙂

    Take Care

    Daniel

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Daniel,

      Thank you for your comment. I agree with you completely, that the way I put the idea out was over the top. I didn’t do proper planning, and I ended up paying the price.

      I have decided to give this Baby Butt Smooth website a little bit of a face lift, and start posting more blog entries right on this website. I hope you and other people, including members of Badger and Blade, will remember me over here, and visit me every once in a while. Thank you.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  20. Sam
    Sam says:

    Phil,

    Couldn’t agree more with your observation that provoked the poisonous responses. I’ve looked at the fancy shaving bowls and settled on a large cappuccino mug. Works perfect. If I break it then it is a trip to a local department store for an inexpensive replacement.

    By the way, I don’t use my “bowl” to develop lather. I use it to soak my brush and then it simply holds water for rinsing my razor so I use less water. I use my hand or face as the surface on which I develop the lather.

    I strive for a simple, swift and smooth shave.

    Cheers!
    – Sam

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  21. Igal
    Igal says:

    I have suffered from the weird gang-culture at B&B and mostly from the violent Moderators there, which haunted me without a cause. It is a nice site, but with strange things going on and serious issues.

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  22. Mark
    Mark says:

    Let me just say I have been called a troll as well. Not on B&B mind you but I have gotten some nasty replies from people. It just seems that people these days can tend to be rude and nasty. The problem is people these days are too sensitive and tend to overreact. As I get older I just try to let it roll off my shoulders. Believe it or not there are some decent people on that site. If someone wants to belittle you over the Internet they have an issue.

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  23. John Doe
    John Doe says:

    Great read, while I have never experienced any venom from the members at B&B I post infrequently so that may have something to do with it. When it comes to shaving I have been using a brush and soap/cream for about two years though it may make me a heretic I was using a cartridge razor (shudder). I recently made the next step, or rather leap. I skipped over the double edge and went straight to a straight. I must say it was one of the best things I have done. I’m getting far superior shaves than I had thought possible. Thank you for the post and Good Shaving.

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  24. Jim W (OneMoreW)
    Jim W (OneMoreW) says:

    Hmmmm… if anyone has been following some of the stuff over there, I am the guy with the Nickel Plated Toggle! Need I say more? Go there and you will find what is being said about what happened to me, simple search “toggle”

    Anyway, I sent a message directly to babybuttsmooth about my experience.

    Great to know I am not the only one at the same time felling terrible that I am not the only one if you know what I mean………

    All that being said, I think I may have found a great place to hang here and will start by wishing a happy new year to you and yours

    Jim W

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  25. Jim Winters (aka OneMoreW)
    Jim Winters (aka OneMoreW) says:

    Here is a note I sent to one of the moderators over at B&B as regards my own being banned from their forums. If it helps, and you visit there, I am the person that has the 1960 F4 Nickel Plated Gillette Toggle that has created quite the stir of late, especially on B&B.

    Call this an open letter as well if you wish but it will certainly tell you just how these people are:

    As a moderator over at B&B, I just wanted to share a small tidbit of information with you for what its worth., You seem like a great guy over there with a lot of useful information including some input as tot he possible value of my nickel plated toggle razor.

    I can assure you number one, that it was not my intent to drive up pricing. When I got the razor, I was thrilled and posted my “Look what I have” threads and started to see the opinions, including PMs about possible values. If one were to look at my original post on B/S/T, I very clearly said I would put this razor on eBay but wanted to give you all an opportunity to have it first. The$700 offer was primarily based on information gathered at B&B as posted in my threads. It truly was my intent to give first right to refusal to members.

    Anyway, I can see how that might be shilling or whatever you guys call it. I had no clue. I did not get any warnings, comments or anything else from anyway concerning this. What I got was an instant Banned notice.

    OK, I get that in a way. Would not have been a big deal for the most part. What really angers me, and others with whom I have spoke, is the fact that just hours before this happened, I did pay $45 for a Bronze subscription. Because I would never be able to use it, I requested a refund and Joel Furman, President of Badger & Blade, Inc, responded as follows:

    “Donations are not refunded – and this is in the t&c’s. Feel free to file a Paypal complaint – but you will lose.
    -Joel”

    I then informed him that I would be sure to leave reviews and feed backs about what I consider to be totally lack of professionalism on review sites and etc. His response was as follows:

    “If that makes you feel vindicated – have fun.
    -Joel”

    Hell of a guy you work with there in my opinion.

    He has further threatened lawsuits for libel, informed me that there are 20 of you that can work against me and it is just not him. I do honestly believe that he has asked for comments and posts to be made concerning this issue at http://badgerandblade.com/vb/showthread.php/378842-What-happened-to-the-nickel-toggle . Which does not really bother me since I am no longer a member there, I see it as only an attempt to justify action to people who are questioning what happened. And then I see things like Scott laughing through means of emoticons at a poster who is trying to defend his position.

    Is this truly what Badger and Blade is all about? truly????

    All I needed was someone,l anyone to ask me to remove any posts, edit any posts, suggest that I might be out of line or anything along that line and I would have happily done so. Now it seems that there are members who are now very leery of moderators at B&B and that perhaps more will be lost than just my membership or my $45.

    Just though I would give this to you for whatever it might be worth

    Best regards,

    Jim W (aka OneMoreW)

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  26. Alan
    Alan says:

    I was twice a member of B&B. I quit the first membership because a moderator sabotaged my profile when I told him I thought he was over-reacting to a post. Real mature.

    I changed my IP and rejoined. I got banned recently after about 9 months for arguing about the apparent “rudeness” of a post with a moderator. If you say something snide in the least to a moderator they will ban you in a flash. No questions. That’s how authoritarian and fascist that site is.

    The higher up Moderators are completely pretentious fascists. It’s seriously run like a police state. luvmysuper, joel, ouch, luc…all these guys are completely pretentious jerks.

    The site content itself is a joke really. I mean how far can you go with a shaving forum before it gets completely redundant and boring right?

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    • Mark
      Mark says:

      If the site content is ‘a joke’, what does that make you, someone who was apparently so eager to participate that you joined not once but twice?

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      • Alan
        Alan says:

        What makes you think I was so eager? I basically joined both times just to use the BST forum, that never occurred to you Mr. Genius?

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  27. JET
    JET says:

    You committed the two worst atrocities you can on Sissies and Stiffs, which are: mentioning a shaving website other than their own, and daring to suggest that shaving is simply a daily task not worthy of writing a four paragraph masturbatory fantasy about.

    It’s one of the more over-moderated forums I’ve ever been on, I’ve had my posts edited without my permission by over-zealous mods, something that has never happened to me on any other forum. I’m surprised that the site allows mentioning product names other than “sponsors”. If you can sort through the pretentious fetishist bullshit, there is some decent information there, though.

    Nice site here and keep up the good work!

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  28. Diqiu-Long
    Diqiu-Long says:

    I have read similar stories from other bloggers and many off them are banned on B&B.

    And I know people have been banned because they where enthusiastic about Chinese shaving stuff and I’m one off them and I think they do that because they earn money from the vendors.

    So if I was very enthusiastic about Kent shaving brushes for example then I probably wouldn’t be banned. But I still visit B&B, but I do that trough TOR as I have an IP ban.

    But of course you also better not argue there with moderators or self acclaimed elites or experts.

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  29. Christopher
    Christopher says:

    B&B is nuts! I was chastised by one moderator because I have a business and my screen name was a shortened version of both names combined. So he tells me to change my name and attitude…….attitude I asked? His reply: you can here obviously to promote your products. I responded : A: I’ve never discussed my business and B: my products are used exclusively by men who DONT SHAVE. So I changed my name. Today I was told I’m Banned FOREVER because I changed my name. SERIOUSLY?

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  30. Scuutlemeister
    Scuutlemeister says:

    Dear Phil
    As a founder member of Scuttles-R-Us (UK branch) and a long standing member of B&B (rank of Obersturmfuhrer) I was astounded at your attack on fellow scuttle users on the forum. My fellow Scuttlers and I derive many hours of harmless enjoyment both using, (and also may I say) gazing at our precious artefacts. For a non-using Philistine like you to burst onto the B&B scene with derogatory and defamatory remarks on an essential and, frankly, stimulating part of DE shaving is grossly insulting and … yes insulting.
    However, I can see from your blog that you have seen the light of day and are truly repentant and have profusely apologised. No doubt your grovelling and abject apologies will be looked at with some sympathy and consideration by my fellow mods (top tier division) at B&B.
    On a lighter note, would you like to contribute to my own blog site, SCUTTLEMANIA,( branches New York and Paris with Canada pending) which is a light hearted look at the world of scuttle users and their families.
    Regards and friendship
    Scuttlemeister (Snr)

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  31. Bob
    Bob says:

    Yikes, to be honest you sound like a giant vag, You need some thicker skin bud, if you post a thread calling out people who like scuttles, you cant get all offended when you get some negative feedback from their fans. Dont get me wrong, i think scuttles are dumb, and your thread sounded humourous, but you gotta sack up. You need to be able to take it as much as you dish it out! No wonder that german chick was late, she knows youre a pussy and wont say anything about it! Youll just go write some whiney, limp-wristed (albeit entertaining) blog post about it. When did men become such a bunch of walking vaginas?

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  32. Jamie
    Jamie says:

    I’m a well known member of several shaving forums I hone and restore straight razors for many members, and your comments and views on Badger & Blade will have far more support than you think, most of the UK members from TSR including myself are on the banned list for the most trivial things I myself received a ban for asking in the straight razor section a simple question in my post of does anyone know where I can purchase a box for a Filarmonica Para Professional? I was contacted by a moderator and told your post contravened the rules of the forum they gave me a 6 months ban, I immediately contacted the moderator and told him to stick the ban where the sun doesn’t shine, honestly that site is filled with some of the biggest wankers to be found anywhere on the planet.

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  33. Jim Goose
    Jim Goose says:

    Joel Marcus Ferman as the owner of B&B is a very important figure in the small confined world of men on men stalking that is http://www.badgerandblade.com

    Ouch (Jay Lipshutz) and LuvMySuper (Phil ‘One Testicle’ Drennen) pay him to work as Admins moderators on that advertising venue as do many of the other eunuchs Mods who like to be the all important voice of reason to anonymous mens looking to further their bathroom habits.

    Joel Ferman of Badger and Blade is a soft handed San Francisco tech boy who currently works for
    http://www.inmage.com/ as a senior VP of marketing, wonder if that company has any idea of the lowlife scum he is and his little side earner scamming the gullible wanna be Badger and Bitchez types seeking a contributor badge but end up with a recurring PayPal subscription EVEN AFTER THEY ARE BANNED.

    It would behoove us to notify Joel’s boss Kumar Malavalli about this as bad press is not good press and please consider the above as only satire and humor.

    Your Fellow Wet Shaver.

    – Jim @ mod edit

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  34. Luigi
    Luigi says:

    I joined Badger & Blade, asked some questions and then bought a razor based on their reviews.

    Then, when I had a problem with it and asked a question, I was insulted by someone who had never heard of the razor I bought, but who wanted to know if it was “cheap Chinese crap” – asked in an intentionally insulting way.

    When I used his exact words in my response, I was banned.

    Since then, I’ve discovered many other places than Badger and Blade to get better information,

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  35. Luigi
    Luigi says:

    P. S.

    I use a black lacquered rice bowl which I bought for $8.00. It’s a perfect size to hold in your hand, the inside is textured, which helps build lather, and it has a lid on it.

    My point is that there are many things which are the proper shape to use as a shaving bowl that, like coffee mugs, are cheap and do a great job.

    I ended up with a rice bowl because it fit my shaving decor better than any of the shaving scuttles, mugs, or bowls I could find, and it was cheap.

    It seems like all anyone needs to do is label something as a wet-shaving accessory and they can triple the price.

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  36. user
    user says:

    yes i know this is an old post, but i wanted to post a response.

    It’s incredibily funny that they called you a troll. Since there are many, many trolls on that site that continue to post and the moderators don’t seem to care. I personally found nothing wrong with your initial post and it’s too bad that the guys over there made you feel like that.

    there’s this one guy in particular over there, his username is alex2363. And this guy is the biggest brown noser and troll i have ever seen on an online forum. He constantly responds with a very condescending attitude. Acts like he runs the place and just has a jerk attitude. And yet, the mods never do nothing.

    I have also been warned by a moderator when i called him out on his BS, and of course all evidence of his wrong doings was deleted. Bottom line, oh well.

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  37. Gritsan D.
    Gritsan D. says:

    B&B is a complete joke. It’s a giant online circle jerk masquerading as a shaving forum. You can get much better information on shaving from lots of other places.

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  38. Mark
    Mark says:

    So, you pin prick a bunch of guys to invoke a negative response so that then you could post what you had done on this site. Just another old Internet trick. Forget about the nice guy with an honest post.

    But, I don’t know if you realize that all you have done is succeed at getting replies from people here that are just as, if not more insane than over at B&B. Posting your web address only reveals your true motive for posting at B&B. Sad but true.

    A question, why do you do this kind of stuff? It was touching that you told of your appointment with the girl and explained what both of you had to do to meet.

    Another point, if you can wrap your head around it; by giving your address so people from B&B could come over here and basically be trolls you are actually reading reflections of you and your post. Everyone who took the time to post on this site a negative reply about B&B will turn on you in a heartbeat if you go out of your way to mislead them about something they are passionate about. So, while you brought all the crazies out of the woodwork over there you also did the same in this post. Not one of your shining moments and let’s get real; your post over there was not well intended, it is obvious to anyone who takes five minutes and read the dribble you write.

    So in effect, you really are one of those trolls and you were able to get (by definition) a whole bunch of trolls to post their negative responses about another website over here. I guess you got what you wanted.

    I joined B&B 1 week ago simply to get some response for another brush that I need, so don’t take me as a fanboy. I just get tired of reading about people who paint themselves as a nice well intentioned innocent persons when in fact they purposely want to “stir the kettle” and cause blood pressures to rise in a few people. You remind me of a kid who likes to start a fight without having to worry about getting hit by a punch. I knew a couple kids who would do this all the time for their enjoyment.

    And I sincerely hope that people who follow you on the Internet are able to see through your actual intentions, a fake. In a way I do feel sorry for you but I’ve seen what you have done so many times on other websites by other people fully intending to cause trouble and if there actually are people who think you ARE sincere and truthful and trust what you print, well, I hope they get help soon.

    So, it should be obvious and believable that I have been fully truthful and nice and also gentlemanly in this post to you. I would never say or do anything to try and cause another person(s) any kind of hardship or intentionally try to start troll loaded responses to this post because I am such a kindhearted, well intentioned person who would never think about posting anything that might cause disagreements by and between members who are inherently troll-like. The last thing I would want is to start a disagreement and have it turned into a circus of clowns.

    I am much too nice a person to ever wish to create a negative feeling from anyone because I am a really nice person who will do all I can to help another like-minded person out. Like you, my whole purpose in life has been to make everyone happy.

    I guess I better wrap this up before I say something that anyone might object to so I will just say goodbye and wish you and anyone who reads this reply the best and that they are able to go through life happy and content without any ill will to the people whom they may not agree with.

    Good day sir,
    Mark<———really is my first name, and you know as well as I how easy it is to get the last. Cheers,…………:-)

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Mark,

      Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate it.

      You said that I write “dribble”. That’s really mean of you! Yes, I do like messing around with images, and graphics, and fonts, and website development and administration- but one of my favorite parts about this Baby Butt Smooth website is the part where I get to do a lot of writing! And you’re calling my writing “dribble”! It’s mean, isn’t it, what you said to me? But it’s OK. I guess you’re right. I’m no Tolstoy, am I. I’m more like Alfred E. Neuman. Maybe the reason your “dribble” stab hurt me so much was because deep down inside, I know that it’s true. It’s just “dribble”, a whole lot of “dribble” everywhere, what I’m writing on this website Baby Butt Smooth website.

      You also wrote that

      “I just get tired of reading about people who paint themselves as a nice well intentioned innocent persons when in fact they purposely want to ‘stir the kettle’ and cause blood pressures to rise in a few people.”

      You are right again. I did kind of want to “stir the kettle” when I visited the Badger & Blade website and told the turkeys over there that buying an expensive skuttle (or scuttle) shaving bowl is just a big stupid waste of money, and even more so following that critical moment when the bubble burst in 2008 and Western civilization began its rapid and irreversible material and social deterioration and decline. OK you are right, I was kind of trying to “stir the kettle”. But the thing is, is that such a terrible thing? What’s so wrong with trying to “stir the kettle”? Don’t tell me you never “stir the kettle”! Everyone “stirs the kettle” sometimes, no? It can be fun to “stir the kettle”. And in fact sometimes it’s healthy and positive for the kettle to be stirred (I didn’t put for the kettle to be stirred in quotation marks because the real expression is “stir the kettle”, and honestly speaking I’m not even sure if it was OK that I put “stirS the kettle” in quotation marks- up above- since adding the “S” is also a change in the original expression, isn’t it?). I don’t think anybody got hurt, did they? And maybe some people have grown from it. Jesus, if I’ve saved one single person out there from buying one of those fancy overblown shaving scuttles (or skuttles), then I am happy about what I did and I have no regrets. Honestly, that’s how I feel about it, even to this day.

      You seem like a nice guy, and really, I’m not trying to argue with you. However, I feel that while my behavior at Badger & Blade was abrasive, provocative and maybe even obnoxious, given the extreme sensitivities of some of the sissies and stiffs at Badger & Blade (and they are sissies and stiffs, let’s be honest)- I did give full and honest recognition to that amazing and kind guy who tried to hold back the sissy and stiff hounds from attacking me. I will never forget what that guy did. His message was one of peace, restraint and reconciliation. That’s one of the things we need more of in this day and age.

      Thank you again for your comment Mark. I appreciate it.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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    • Deke
      Deke says:

      Just your humble opinion, right? You’ll fit in great with the B&B crowd…you sound exactly like the pretentious stuffed-shirts on that site.

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  39. john p
    john p says:

    I know this post is a little old by now, but so glad I came upon it.
    Hilarious! You, sir have a talent for calling a blade a blade in the most humorous way possible.
    (I really wish you captured some of the original comments to your BB post)

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear John,

      Thank you very much for your feedback. I apologize to you for the delay in posting your comment. Thank you again for visiting the website. I am happy that you enjoyed the content.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  40. paul
    paul says:

    Hey my man,

    Look, the reason you probably recieved such a response is that youre a new comer to the DE world, a new guy in that forum. Instead of asking those guys about stuff or just kickin the so called shit….ypu went on there and practically insulted 75% of them by saying there shaving bowls/mugs were a waste of money…thats NOT a good first impression by any means in any category of life…while i myself completely agree with you as far as the bowls/mugs go….i use something completely different than most (its a sides dish from texas roadhouse restaurant and its fantastic…the manager is a de enthusiast himself said i could take it home for $1 just let him know how it works out) but anyway….you dont go to someone elses turf or “home” and then insult the art hanging on the wall if ya get what i mean

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Paul,

      I made a mistake on the Badger & Blade- and the leadership reacted in a harsh way. That sums up, I think, what happened. I do admit it- I made a mistake. I should not have shown up and behaved in such a completely abrasive and obnoxious way.

      Paul, thank you for visiting this website, I appreciate it.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  41. kiss_my_asthma
    kiss_my_asthma says:

    hey!

    B&B blows, especially the mod who hated my username. djh is the mod who didn’t like the name. he made it seem like the whole team collectively disliked the name, even though i it was just him. he told me that i needed to come up with a new name, because mine wasn’t appropriate. the funny part is that i wasn’t using profanity or harming anyone. however, if the moderator didn’t like it, i couldn’t use it. which means that the rules that they have are pretty much useless if it’s based on the subjective judgement of the mod.

    i wrote him: i don’t get why i have to have my username changed. i’m a sarcastic person who has a passion for medicine, which is why i chose kiss_my_asthma. i came here to learn, ask questions, and interact with others who have a passion for wet shaving. i haven’t offended or belittled anyone, and i never intend to do so. if the majority of users feel uncomfortable by my username, then i will change it. otherwise, i’d like to keep it.

    so, djh (David) wouldn’t listen to reason, and put my account on probation. all of this happened today. it’s funny, because the other mods welcomed me when i posted that it was my first time. however, i guess he was the only one who had a problem with my name. it’s funny how they portray that it’s all about fun and gentleman-like conduct, when everything they do contradicts their mission statement. B&B is exudes pretentiousness. there are better sites out there, like this one, that do the trick. if you want a place that’s down to earth, then B&B is not the place to go.

    David, you suck!

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  42. Nigil G
    Nigil G says:

    Phil, I hope you are making progress with your site. To continue with the thread here I suspected maybe you intended to stir the pot with the stiffs over on B and B. Kudos. There is another site, shavenook, that seems to be frequented by some really nice fellows with lots of knowledge and possibly a venue for your thoughts if you have sincere interest. I’ve visited here and there and enjoyed. But, beware! You will still find stiffs who’ve only recently started wet shaving and yet have made thousands of heavily opinionated posts and comments. One made his avatar himself in a tuxedo, has announced and touted that he has created a new shave technique (that he has named after himself no less!) and makes lengthy reviews products… as if. My point is that some of these sites have great content. Just ignore the pompous absurd and asinine you will surely encounter and you will be afforded a wealth of information.

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  43. Jan Zoethout
    Jan Zoethout says:

    Phil,
    I really support your opinion about B&B (or better: S&S).
    There are certainly a lot of good people on that forum, but the guys who run it a genuine morons …
    One moderator deleted some posts in a thread I started – behind my back.
    When I complained about it, he deleted 2 more – again behind my back.
    When I kept complaining about this behaviour, they (“the team”) threatened to kick me off
    the forum if I would complain any more.
    I voluntarily had me kicked off the forum – all posts I contributed were removed …
    Morons indeed ….

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  44. Danny
    Danny says:

    I have something to quickly share and then move-on since I can only assume that anyone reading this already has their own unsavory B&B experience.

    B&B is like an online CULT in disguise. Anyone who has looked into or associated through family or otherwise with religious cults like Scientology or Jehovah Witnesses, will see many similarities.

    1st. LOVEBOMBING. The Newbie Check-in thread is hillarious. You have 30+ new friends welcoming you and telling you how fantastic the forum is. Some of these despots even want to be accepted onto your friends list. Apparently, Jehovah’s team up and do the exact same.
    2nd. They think they hold the patent on Gentlemanly behaviour. Not only do they not, but I have witnessed the most ungentlemanly behaviour coming from the Moderators themselves. How Ironic!
    3rd. I am on a few Forums and nowhere have I seen such an arrogant Terms of Service.
    4th. Heavily Biased information. Its expensive to be an authorised vendor but you do get the privilege that anything bad/negative written about you and your service on the forum will be heavily moderated/deleted or dismissed. Also a huge boost is that Vendor Lovebombing is encouraged.
    5th. Its a for-profit forum site. The most insane thing is paying for a contributors badge. The site has google advertising, paid advertising, paid vendors, pay per use buy/sell/trade forum, group buys that pay the site a royalty and yet, also solicits contributions. Ridiculous but a fool is born every minute!
    6th. The platform is dated. Easier to search for B&B information on google than it is on the site itself.
    7th. Its a forum of morons. Ask a serious question and you are guaranteed to receive a barrage of stupidity, incorrect information and lame, idiotic joke comments.
    8th. Its NOT an international forum. I have seen foreigners ridiculed and don’t even get me started on the subject of sexism & homophobia. Nearly all of the PIF’s (pay-it-forward) are CONUS (continental US) only and the membership overwhelmingly speaks from an American perspective.

    Finally, the B&B forum has been in obvious decline from all angles for years. Not only is there many other options to obtain shaving information, but the caliber of information is a fraction of the solid information that used to be posted in its earlier days. Have I been banned from B&B? definitely NOT, but I have outgrown it like many have over the years and just know its time to move on.

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    • Terrence
      Terrence says:

      “7th. Its a forum of morons”

      And one genius. The forum owner is almost certainly making a pile of money off the site, and others provide the content. That sounds pretty darned brilliant to me. No, I do not agree with many of B&B’s actions and attitudes, but that has nothing to do with its business model.

      “Finally, the B&B forum has been in obvious decline from all angles for years.”

      As have nearly all the other shaving forums. No matter, they served their purpose well. Now blogs have taken over their role, and in a more informative and beneficial manner (my opinion FWIW).

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  45. Bruce
    Bruce says:

    You’ll get no argument from me on that count, Danny. B&B is ruled by a cartel of sanctimonious snobs and insufferable pricks. My account was suspended today because I refused to acknowledge, much less respond to, a moderators’s condescending private message, the subject of which was banal and absurd. Apparently, that is a capital offense in the eyes of the B&B debutantes, and the clique of petulant children suspended my account.

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  46. Scott Michael
    Scott Michael says:

    Sounds like the opinion of Parker razors on Badger & Blade. I like them because they have a chrome plated brass frame and thus are much tougher than the usual zinc alloy in most non-stainless steel razors. Because of quality control problems in the PAST, Parker products face what is IMHO incredible prejudice on B&B.

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  47. Kevin
    Kevin says:

    I’m sorry to hear you were treated barbarically on Badger and Blade. Unfortunately humans are a pack animal and some just follow the crowd and don’t stop to think.
    Any reasonable​ person would see you had a very valid point. Some had probably spent a small fortune on shaving mugs bowls and sCuttles and your words of common sense may have touched a raw nerve.
    Personally I have not had a bad experience on Badger and Blade but I’ve only been there for a couple of months, so there’s plenty of time for someone to take offence to a comment I make. There is some good info on there regarding SE razors, stropping and honing blades etc,
    I own a ceramic bowl and wide mouthed mug both bought in a charity shop for a grand total of £1.
    Keep on having your own opinions and enjoying your hobby of wet shaving.

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  48. Deborah Schicker
    Deborah Schicker says:

    I agree fully. Joined today and was innocently trying to gain information for a razor I found while cleaning out my mother’s home after her death and I was suspended for asking its worth. What a bunch of nut cases. Didn’t know it was so hush hush the value of a razor. WEIRDOS

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Deborah,

      Thank you for your comment. The name “Deborah” seems like a woman’s name. Can you possibly help me? Can you please take a quick look at Nathanial’s comment below, and then my response? I need a woman’s perspective on this. Please. Thank you.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  49. Nathaniel Offer
    Nathaniel Offer says:

    What a surprise. Here is why you were called a troll. You joined the forum and in the very first post instead of just saying Hi my name is … and here’s a bit about me, you instead jump straight into insulting their intelligence for purchasing shaving bowls and then tell them they have no right to comment on their wives spending habits as a result and then you sit back all butt hurt and wonder why no one (sorry almost no one) liked you! News flash, in forum land attacking them in message one gets you hated. Did you even read one single message before you posted? I would have left the scuttle comments for a thread to be posted in the proper sub forum afterwards. The introductions sub forum of any site is just that to introduce yourself not to start a full blown conversation that belongs in a different sub forum entirely

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Nathanial,

      Thank you for your message.

      There have been times in my life where I’ve done this or done that to upset a woman. I’m not talking about adultery or violence- this is not at all my style, and never ever has been- I’m just talking about doing something which causes “hurt feelings”. Something I said which was insensitive… overlooking something… or, look, I know it sounds tedious, but again, just being “insensitive”. I found out that no matter what I said, and no matter what I did, the woman would bring it up again and again and again and again. Then there would be a moment where I’d have the feeling that she had in fact gotten over it, that I had properly atoned for my sins, that I was now in the clear… and then, minutes later, or hours later, or days later, or weeks later, or even months later, years later, decades later, right out of nowhere, she’d bring it up yet again: YOU WERE INSENSITIVE!

      Here in this crazy world, where life really is stranger than art, I find that this is the exact same dynamic which has developed between me and Badger & Blade. Badger & Blade is a like a woman, and I caused her hurt feelings, and it is just never going to end, never, ever, ever, ever. It is a recurring nightmare from which I cannot awake.

      If there are any real women reading this blog- I mean real, actual, physiological women- then can you please honestly tell me exactly what I have to do in order to get the men-women at Badger & Blade to calm down and stop this never ending attack. Please, real women, I am begging you. REAL WOMEN I AM BEGGING YOU.

      Meanwhile: Nathanial, I am sorry.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  50. Nobody Special
    Nobody Special says:

    Your post was deleted because it contained a link to a competitive website. This is a common practice among forum moderators. Almost all forums require authorization from admins before allowing links to be placed. They want you to click pages within their site, so they get more ad money.
    I know nothing about Badger & Blade, but it doesn’t surprise me at all that the post was deleted. If you responded poorly to that action, it wouldn’t surprise me if you were banned as well. BTW making this blog post definitely falls under “responded poorly”

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Nobody Special,

      Thank you for your comment. Your comment does provide a convincing explanation as to why the forum moderators at Sissies and Stiff would have been upset with my post- because I visited the Sissies and Stiffs website, posted a comment on it, and in my comment, I included a link to my own one man website, providing detailed support for my belief that fancy shaving bowls and scuttles (or skuttles?) are stupid and senseless things. In the minds of the Sissies and Stiffs ring leaders, people might leave the Sissies and Stiffs website, and arrive at my own one man website… and that would mean .001% less traffic on the Sissies and Stiffs website, and .001% less money in the pockets of the sissies and stiffs that own the Sissies and Stiffs website and profit from it.

      However, your comment, while it does possibly explain the behavior of the people running the Sissies and Stiffs website, fails to explain the hysterical reactions from the people on the Sissies and Stiffs website. That’s the whole point. It was a vicious organized attack by a whole gaggle of sissies and stiffs- it wasn’t just a simple matter of the Sissies and Stiffs ringleaders deleting my post. It was a vicious organized attack by a whole entire unholy mafia of sissies and stiffs.

      And one more thing, Nobody Special. I published this article explaining my grievances AFTER I was viciously attacked, and AFTER my message on the Sissies and Stiffs website was deleted!!! Not before, but after. AFTER AFTER AFTER AFTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Thank you for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  51. SouthPaw
    SouthPaw says:

    I’m late to the party on this (just found your blog); mostly curious how the relationship with the German gal progressed. Worse comes to worse, there are always great coffee bars to meet new people or hide and recover from the cruel gauntlet that is modern dating. :-p

    Anyway…

    I’m not really surprised at the reaction from B&B. There are purists and a different point of view is nearly impossible for them to consider without feeling their existence threatened. They’ve probably already warned their children that boogeymen threaten to come in the middle of the night and take away their shaving paraphernalia as I type.

    I’m a member at B&B. I don’t post much because I prefer to contribute rather than repost old ideas. I’m with you on the ‘you don’t need all that to enjoy a DE shave’ philosophy. Dare I tell them I use Nivea shaving gel rather than soap, a cup and a brush? Nope. The gel is cheap, the cans are recylable, and the process is fast. I’m in and out within 5 minutes and get a fantastic shave for less than a penny. I’m not going to argue with anyone who wants to take ten, enjoy soap or sing to their poodle, especially when we can’t all even agree which blade works best (“YMMV”, right?).

    Don’t feel alone. Imagine trying to convince the world in this day and age that an old fashioned razor shaves as good as or better than the ubiquitous and market dominant plastic devices they’ve seen their fathers use. That’s what I’m attempting as I’m on the cusp of start my own razor blade company. Wise men fear to tread where I’m going, and I don’t blame them.

    Anyway…

    I’ll check out your blog. Thanks for providing DE users one more (valid) and welcome point of view on the world of DE’s.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear SouthPaw,

      Thank you very much for your comment. I want to wish you the very best of luck with your razor blade company. When you launch the company please post another comment containing a link to your website, and I will certainly publish the comment and try to send Baby Butt Smooth dot com visitors your way.

      I never slept with the German gal. But not for lack of trying. One of the problems was that I was pursuing her right after the end of my own long term relationship. I think that women can smell trouble and desperation and grief from a million miles away, and when they smell it they move in the opposite direction.

      I think that a man whose heart has been broken should simply be honest with himself and brace himself for the intense and devastating depression which will soon follow, once denial wears off. No drink, no drug, no person, no thing, no pretty German gal, can possibly provide redemption or meaningful relief. The guy should just get on with it and know that he is about to enter into hell.

      Thank you very much for your comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  52. Tallships
    Tallships says:

    I enjoyed the read and agree with you. I am a member of B&B and since joining I’ve been collecting razors and bowl. BUT I refuse to go to great expense, my limit for a vintage razor is $12 at yard sales i’ve been pretty lucky. I have a bowl that i like that cost 50 cents. My wife calls me frugal.

    At B&B I take comments of what I write with water on a ducks back. The ones that called you a Troll for commenting on their expensive taste, probably feel guilty for spending too much for what they buy.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Tallships,

      Thank you very much for your comment. I appreciate it.

      I think being frugal is a good thing. If you are looking for a frugal option for a pre-shave preparation, please consider grape seed oil. For me it has been working very well. I recently published a blog post about it. Grape seed oil.

      Thank you again for visiting the Baby Butt Smooth website, and for taking the time to comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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      • Tallships
        Tallships says:

        Thanks Phil, I’ve tried pre-shaves but a hot wet washcloth beard soak always worked better for me, like trying new things but I’m 71 and keep going back to old school shaving.
        Happiness is a BBS
        Tallships

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  53. Michael Magnetta
    Michael Magnetta says:

    They’re just hurt because they go out and but the most expensive great looking bowls without understanding anything about functionality!!! I’ve lathered in Tupperware bowls that held heat a lot longer than crime or stainless bowls.

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  54. None of your business
    None of your business says:

    Phil,

    You were being a sarcastic asshole and then came to your own website to cry like a little baby.
    There was nothing innocent about your comment. If you don’t realise that, you’re even more of an idiot than I thought.

    Now grow up – you can’t expect to run your mouth off on a website where people have a passion for particular items and not expect to be rebuked.

    I’ve already wasted enough time on your kind. You little troll.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Angry Anonymous Visitor to Baby Butt Smooth dot com,

      In one fell swoop you have called me an “asshole”, a “little baby”, an “idiot”, and a “little troll” (actually I am quite big so maybe you should have called me a “big troll”). When you typed in your comment to me, you were asked to enter your name; you could have just written “Tom” or “Dick” or “Harry”. Instead you entered: “None of your business”. Where you were asked to type in your email address, you entered: “upyours@antiphil.com”. Is “antiphil.com” an actual website? I was worried there might be an Anti Phil dot com website up there somewhere on the internet so I actually paid http://www.antiphil.com a visit. I found a website with some crap written in Korean. I don’t understand Korean, so I couldn’t read it. I asked myself whether it was possible that there’s actually some gang of sissies and stiffs h8ting on me somewhere in Seoul or Pyongyang, but I doubt it, which leaves me to conclude that the “upyours@antiphil.com” email address you entered is a fake email address, and the antiphil.com domain name is a domain name you have no connection with. You were simply trying to communicate the anal frustration you were feeling toward some person named “Phil”.

      I can’t believe that you are this upset by what I said and wrote about a bunch of shaving cream bowls. I really am kind of amazed.

      Thank you for your comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  55. Billy Copeland
    Billy Copeland says:

    The trouble with internet communities in general is they are populated by passionate individuals. Some of whom have money and not a whole lot of sense. Personally I read them for information but don’t join them, and take the information with a pinch of salt. As for shaving forums those guys are collectors so you kind of put your foot in it with those comments. I’ve been shaving with a double edge razor for nearly forty years, I have never needed a shaving bowl or mug for anything other than storing soap, I have two good brushes and and two adjustable Gillette razors, and a bundle of others abandoned over the years, I get expensive soap, cream stuff for Christmas. Traditional DE shaving is bollocks invented on those forum. A quick run over the face with a razor with lather from a cheap shave stick on week days and out to work, take a break on Saturdays, and have have a special careful shave with Old Spice splash on Sunday before church. Thats traditional.

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  56. Eric
    Eric says:

    I think you’re blowing this a little out of proportion. You say that your post was completely innocent, yet the whole time I was reading it, I was thinking that it was coming across a little too harsh. While I understand the point of your post, I have to say that it shouldn’t matter to you what other people use to lather in. Just say that in your experience a mug works just as well as any expensive lather bowl. There’s no reason for you to say that expensive scuttles are way over the top and should be avoided at all costs. You repeatedly phrased things in a way that came across as challenging or defensive. Also, keep in mind that many of the people who you were addressing use and love the very products you called over the top and said should be avoided at all costs. Whether you intended to or not, you came across as thinking you knew more than everyone else and thought people who disagreed with you were idiots. It may have been completely unintentional, but it really shouldn’t be that surprising that you were greeted with that kind of feedback.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Eric,

      What you are saying is true. I agree with you. I have to be honest – actually I don’t have to be honest, but I want to be honest. What I wrote, the words I used, and the way I used those words, the tone – it was abrasive and provocative. You are right.

      Thank you for taking the time to comment.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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  57. Paul
    Paul says:

    Well I have just used a DE razor for the first time. I bought one of those shaving cups.from Amazon. It is stainless steel. It cost $6.99. I bought some soap called Van Der Hagen Scented Luxury Shave Soap. It is as hard as a bar of soap but it’s circular. It fits in the cup perfectly. The size seems to be a standard of some kind. I’m not sure that soap would work as well in a coffee cup. I also don’t know that I would have saved much money by trying. Both products seem to come in a range of prices. Here is a $5000 coffee cup:
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OMO9DU8/

    So that’s my two cents worth.

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    • Phil
      Phil says:

      Dear Paul,

      Thank you for taking the time to post a message on the Baby Butt Smooth website. That “Best Grandma Ever” coffee cup which you found on Amazon is very expensive but it does look nice. However both of my grandmothers passed away some time ago. Thank you again for taking the time to write.

      Kind regards,

      Phil

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      • Mike
        Mike says:

        They kicked me off too for having 2 accounts by Cisneros cause I forgot the password for my first ones. And when I introduce myself so my alarm but the moderator something was basically tell me the rules like no politics no this know that and I messaged him saying well there’s a first amendment and we’re all adults here so just go out soon later I was kicked

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  58. ArabianRATA
    ArabianRATA says:

    It’s very nice to see politeness once more. I too am a member of several shave forums. Needless to say, I received a particularly condescending PM after posting about my brother’s business not realizing what I had done. Much to my chagrine, it was then suggested I pay several hundred dollars (and I’m being generous with the “several”) in order to be a vendor which I’m not planning on doing after being talked to looks a child.

    I draw zero income from this business, but as a physician, I’d gladly invest in my brother’s company as I will be a silent partner. However after that tongue lashing, the reality of the situation became painfully clear and ever since regret wasting even one post on that site. Thank you for sharing your situation as it’s one more story I can relate to.

    Kindest regards

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  59. Matthew
    Matthew says:

    I absolutely agree!! I recently got banned from Badger and Blade for simply asking about sanitizing my brushes!!!! They are total shit stains over there…
    not sure why. Excellet article and Badger And Blade can eat a fat turd!!!

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    • StiffSissy
      StiffSissy says:

      Hi Matthew, Laughing Loud! Very well said. I think they are already eating a fat turd daily for breakfast! Otherwise, they can not behave this way. Full of shit heads working as moderators don’t have any clue whatsoever about moderation.

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  60. Edwin Anthony
    Edwin Anthony says:

    Well, well. I certainly agree with what you’re saying there. I’m new to DE shaving myself – about a week old actually – and chanced upon this Badger and Blades site. I soon found, after a few mintues, that there was a lot of pretentions and affectations going on there. I wondered at how they would shell out loads of money for loads of Safety Razors without questioning after the cost and whether it was worth the price, or what’s with all those fancy bowls, etc?

    Many spoke about how they were tired of being ripped off by Gillette, only to open themselves to being ripped off by loads of SR companies and all their fancy ‘prep’ and post-shave stuff, which basically amount to far mor than Gillette.

    Gillette is no doubt ripping people off big time with every shave. With SR shaving, you get ripped off once with the shaver, but you supposedly save with the ongoing cost of blades, which is undone by the ridiculous cost of prep gear.

    For myself, i just buy a couple of litres of coconut oil for about 5 quid (deodorised, bleached, etc oil), and it works very well on my body and head. It basically disinfects the head as well and kills bacteria as well.

    I suppose all those going for those overpriced gear want to feel part of a community that is more than a mere cog and wheel in the capitalist machinery. They spend lots of time shaving their heads, and it gives them a sense that they are doing something for themselves with effort outside of work. Psychoogical thing. Hence, all these overpriced embelishments sort of adds glitz to their non-work identity. A more shiner and quieter version of a harley i suppose.

    Alright, all that said, could you perhaps advice me as to what you think might be a real good SR for my head. I had previously been using a Gillette Proglide Fusion or whatever long-butt name they call it. I can shave my head within 2 mintues with it. But i got tired of being buggered by their overprice, hence my migration to SR – though if i was to actually calculate the cost, it is about the same in terms of blade price as i can make my Gillette blade last for about 3 months…..though the returns diminish after the first month.

    Well, don’t bother about those snobs without a cause at Badger and, um, what was that….Bollocks was it. Never mind them. You got reason and logic on your side, despite it seeming treasonous to the pretentious.

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  61. Gabriel Babuch
    Gabriel Babuch says:

    As a general rule of thumb, if anyone succeeds in charming me and making me chuckle, while also replying to comments on a post written more than half a decade ago, then they are not a troll. I regret to inform you that there are some, myself included (perhaps only myself) that are part of a splinter-cell that prefers to shave with a non-conductive bowl––in my case, a small wooden salad bowl I bought at IKEA. Please don’t beat me.

    Best,
    Gabe

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  62. Kim
    Kim says:

    I’m not a fan of BandB, they banned my profile (despite me asking them to terminate it, not ban it, so now i cant get in it to delete it myself) because I simply said the words “I’m in, I would love to review it on my channel” apparently, this counts as an advertisement of my youtube channel. They also told me to get rid of my tag line which was “-The Money Shaver” beause it again was seen as advertising, despite it being my nickname.

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  63. William
    William says:

    Well, what can I say about your first thread on B&B? Probably not the best way to introduce yourself by attacking guys who use fancy scuttles while at the same time promoting your own site. You could have started with asking why people choose to use these fancy scuttles rather than admonish them for not living up to your philosophy on wet shaving. It seems that you expected that they would praise you for showing them the way to the true shaving path, while in reality only showing your arrogance. Wow a lawyer really agreed with you that a bowl is better. Why is the lawyers opinion more valid? You caring on about these men as being so classy and such gentlemen, but where is your class? Your inexplicable hate filled rant towards the french is perplexing. You are not behaving like the gentlemen that you hold in such high regard, more of bigot with your stereo types of Germans and hatred for the French. Perhaps you are just a wanker.

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  64. William
    William says:

    Didn’t have the guts too leave my comment up? I guess I have to start my own webpage so that people can read my response to this article. If you can’t take a little criticism quit writing opinion pieces. I really didn’t care enough about your dramatic encounter with B&B and how they have broken some rule on the principle of scuttles. It was your attitude towards class and ethnicity that drew my response. German stereotypes, and your bigotry towards the French, all while winning that they are not like the gentlemen lawyers that agree with you. I would be surprised that these gentlemen would publicly agree with your opinions on ethnicity.

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  65. Alwinvrm
    Alwinvrm says:

    Well, I once made a joke in my own language which would translate to something like ‘scuttles are for cup cakes’ .

    That was a really nice forum and people could see the joke some found it a little harder to digest, especially because the word for ‘cake’ also means unpleasant old lady.I also ask scuttle people why they try to exfoliate a scuttle and not their face, not funny?

    At the same time what you did, is like saying on a fishing forum that high end rods are a waste of time. Of course some people are not going to be happy. All I can say, in spite of their overreacting, ‘not a very smart first post’ .

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  66. Who cares
    Who cares says:

    Wow, this is hilarious….. You sound like a crazy “snowflake”. It is a friggin shave forum, folks discuss and show off items. A silly hobby is all it is…. Dude, smoke a joint and relax.

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  67. Kees
    Kees says:

    I used to be a member of B&B, got banned after one run-in with know-it-all joel. No warning no explanation, nothing.
    I joined SRP about the same time and still am a member in spite of a couple of run-ins with Lynn Abrams. He is a gent, sorry to see him leave.
    B&B is run as a commercial enterprise. If they feel you harm their interests you are sent packing.

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  68. Jason O'Connor
    Jason O'Connor says:

    Safety razors are overrated and expensive and should be avoided. I use cheap dollar store disposables and get excellent shaves. I also got rid of my expensive soaps and creams, why pay so much when a can of barbasol is just as good.

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  69. Joeblow
    Joeblow says:

    I too joined b&b,and the first thing that happened was every thread I read was someone bashing this aftershave that soap etc. when I responded by asking a few questions about how they reached their conclusions I was sent a reply where I was accused of being mad going on a rant and such. All I did was ask a few questions! So I responded with an apology, and was replied to with more impolite verbiage, and my questions still were never answered. B&B is not that bad, the problem is you’re not allowed to say anything negative about anything, unless it’s something they don’t like. One of my favorite aftershaves is Clubman LilacVegatal. If you read B&B they constantly bash it,saying it smells like cat pee! They say Aqua Velva is an ‘old man smell’, and
    Jovan musk is for horny teenagers, then they turn around and say their forum maintains a gentlemanly tone! But if you criticize something they like you get banned.The problem is the site (like most) is monetized, as a result, they pander to the lowest common denominator. The mistake
    you made, was being English. Remember, the site is ran by Americans, which means there are few natural born gentleman on the site. Keep in mind, this country was started and populated by lower class scum who couldn’t get a job in your country. As a result there is an underlying crassness associated with anything American. In most countries, the people are good, but the government sucks, in America the government’s good and the people suck! Bottom line is, decency, deportment, diplomacy, and proper manners can be learned, but only appreciated through good breeding. And America sure doesn’t lead the world in that. This is a country that’s populated by the worst genetic filth and biological garbage from Europe. Just read the Statue of Liberty ‘Give me your weak, tired, poor huddled masses’ you know the French were laughing their asses off when they gave it to us! They probably couldn’t believe we didn’t catch that one.
    Remember sir, you are English, a higher standard is expected to be maintained.
    You are lucky enough to live in a country that produced Nelson, Cromwell, and the P.M. Sir Winston. America gave the world the Big Mac, I’m sure that’s right up there with the Sistine Chapel. You can’t reason with savages. Earlier in your post you mentioned an American saying about dogs, here’s another one, ‘when you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas’.
    Good day to you, sir.

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  70. KJ
    KJ says:

    Sad indeed. I know this post is quite old, but if anyone out there is looking for a great Forum to join with none of that BS, come check out The Shaving Cadre!

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